Physicist Liars

Case A124B2D3-66F2-49C1-BC49-17A5E66CC544
Sponsor: Robert Thibadeau

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  • Verdicts

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 70 %
    Supporting Text:
    I don't know if this is actually the truth. It is an interesting question to see if one could design a way to confirm it is actually true, but just suspected to be true.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Yes to a certain extent they are, amongst other profession I can assume but their work being reviewed leaves at least room for them to be as honest as they can be. Most physicists openly acknowledge uncertainty and revision in their work.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The best liars? No. On the basis of this case all people are liars and cannot help be liars since nobody has any special access to whatever the truth may be. Science is always in an intermediary stage towards truth, as are people,going about their daily business. To point at scientists suggest that there is a truth somewhere but they lie about where they are in the search. I don’t buy that as an activity special to them.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I don't know, but oh what fun it is to be this confused.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    The definition of the word "liars" as used by the Plaintiff in this matter is wrong. If scientists are "liars" for stating what they know to be true at this time, then everyone is a liar all the time for ever stating anything that they believe to be true at this time. A plumber is a liar for saying that he believes the reason for a clog is X when he later learns it was Y. A painter is a liar for saying that he'll need X gallons of paint when he later learns he'll need Y gallons of paint. STOP USING THIS DEFINITION OF "LYING" IF YOU WANT THIS PRODUCT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Not sure as physicians can be liars without us knowing as they use mathematics that the normal person dont understand and cant show they lying

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 85 %
    Supporting Text:
    I don't know if it is true, but what I can imply is that they are not liars, they are practitioners of an duplicated process that relies on provisional truth. They do not claim to hold final answers but rather what they believe is true.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I would argue that at one level this is the whole truth. It leaves a lot out. For example, the content of physics itself lends itself to being shown true. And, of course, it doesn't talk about what they say when they are not talking physics.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    This is interesting and I would like to hear the rest of the discourse goes especially if other professionals are present

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The plaintiff doesn’t agree either that his accusation is the whole truth.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I don't know any physicists so I will have to take the author (and Gemini's sources) for it. So no it's not the whole truth.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Word salad. Table one.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 95 %
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    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 85 %
    Supporting Text:
    It's not entirely true, there are a lot being unsaid and left out. For instance what may seem to be true in today's theories can be redefine or replaced by tomorrow making scientific progress the foundational mechanism. With that being said science seeks to improve its models not claim absolute final truth.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 60 %
    Supporting Text:
    Again, at one level, yes.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    To some degree, we can never know everything if the world is consistently changing and adapting

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    As argued above.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I personally think Politicians are the best liars. They pretend so well.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    The definition of the word "liars" as used by the Plaintiff in this matter is wrong. If scientists are "liars" for stating what they know to be true at this time, then everyone is a liar all the time for ever stating anything that they believe to be true at this time. A plumber is a liar for saying that he believes the reason for a clog is X when he later learns it was Y. A painter is a liar for saying that he'll need X gallons of paint when he later learns he'll need Y gallons of paint. I'm a liar if I say I believe that it will rain today and it doesn't rain today. STOP USING THIS DEFINITION OF "LYING" IF YOU WANT THIS PRODUCT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    To some extent yes

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    They present provisional knowledge as truth is not the whole truth and misinterprets the nature of scientific inquiry.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    There is no real deceit here. It is a bit inventive.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    There is no real deceit here. It is a bit inventive.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    There is no deceit.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Unless well we are being mislead to not trust physicists lol

    Answer:
    There is no deceit.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Just a play on words disguising the untruths that we all,share not just scientists.

    Answer:
    A matter of opinion.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    The deceit is that the definition of "liar" or "lying" being used here is completely nonsensical.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Seriously ... it's just confusing to normal human beings when you make up new definitions for words. Use the conventional definition unless you have a serious reason (and succinct explanation) for why an alternative definition you made up should be used.

    Answer:
    There is no deceit.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    There is no deceit.
    Answer Confidence: 75 %
    Supporting Text:
    They inventing people into believing that it is true.

    Answer:
    There is no deceit.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I was shooting for the truth.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The plaintiff is disguising his personal beliefs.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I know the author holds a personal grudge against physicists, so not sure.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Yes, the deceit in terms of incorporating a brand-new definition of lying that's completely unknown to 99.99999999% of the human population is intentional.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Truth is intended

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 70 %
    Supporting Text:
    The deceit is not malicious, the argument positions physicists not as deliberate frauds, but as practitioners of temporary deception—a "lie" necessary to make progress, as they define truth as provisional knowledge that is "true" only until it is proven wrong.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    Something to think about.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    The motivation is to be informative
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    The motivation is to be informative
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Creative thinking

    Answer:
    Something to think about.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    The motivation is to convince you that the lie is factually true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    To try and convince you that Physicists are the best liars!

    Answer:
    I'm not sure what the motivation is.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Yeah ... not really sure how we can call anybody a liar when they're "lying" because they're not done learning yet. It's like calling a weatherman a liar because the weather doesn't do exactly what he says it will do. That's nonsensical.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to be informative
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    I'm not sure what the motivation is.
    Answer Confidence: 85 %
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    Answer:
    The motivation is to be informative
    Answer Confidence: 75 %
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    Answer: Acceptable
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    This proposition would become increasingly unacceptable if it was much longer than it is.

    Answer: Acceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Acceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Lawyers lie too

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    This proposition would become increasingly unacceptable if it was much longer than it is.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    It's probably partially accepted but by certain scientists who do not love physicists.

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I REALLY wouldn't take this proposition to anybody who doesn't already understand this unique definition of the term "liar". The resulting response would be ... socially unacceptable.

    Answer: Acceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Acceptable
    Answer Confidence: 75 %
    Supporting Text:
    This assumption would become totally unacceptable as it confuses uncertainty with dishonesty.

    Answer: Acceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    It is interesting to think about whether lies by social groups, like physicists, are generally healthy lies.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    No label needed
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    No label needed
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    White lies ?

    Answer:
    This is not true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Group lies are both being contrasted with natural Human lack of access to the truth and considered to be better liars than the basic Human experience.

    Answer:
    No label needed
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I am unable to put a label to it.

    Answer:
    This is factually untrue.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    This premise that anybody is a liar because they speak in anything besides universal constants is not something that should be perpetuated.

    Answer:
    No label needed
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer:
    It is interesting to think about whether lies by social groups, like physicists, are generally healthy lies.
    Answer Confidence: 85 %
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    Answer:
    No label needed
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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