TruthCourt Lie

Case A2D65589-3A2D-409F-B775-6FFF5C83DB6D
Sponsor: Robert Thibadeau

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  • Verdicts

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok, as is common with most AI, has no human experience and can only state factual interpretation. That kind of logic is not creative.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    There should be a button push tool on social media posts connected to TruthCourt. Instant Accountability: A dedicated button allows users to immediately challenge dubious or misleading claims the moment they see them, creating a direct path from a potentially viral post to an independent, structured evaluation of its truthfulness.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok, as is common with most AI, has no human experience and can only state factual interpretation. That kind of logic is not creative.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I’ve been through this problem. It would take about 125 minutes to go from a media post to arriving at the conclusion of a TC case. This is not practical unless the platform is changed somewhat. This requires only a little programming. The button on the social media should say Verdict, and take the user into the TC realm to make a case.this case would appear on a scrolling list of cases. Any potential juror can select a case. When there are enough jurors a moderator is chosen and the TC case would continue as normal. The link to the case would have to be added back to the media posting.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 80 %
    Supporting Text:
    I can see arguments for both sides.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok, as is common with most AI, has no human experience and can only state factual interpretation. That kind of logic is not creative.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok, as is common with most AI, has no human experience and can only state factual interpretation. That kind of logic is not creative.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The article is right that TruthCourt is different from Community Notes, that its user base is smaller, and that questions around participation, incentives and the way its trials are conducted deserve scrutiny. However, those are arguments about the limitations and design of TruthCourt, not necessarily arguments against making TruthCourt accessible through a button on social-media posts. The article seems to move from “TruthCourt is not yet large enough or established enough to function like Community Notes” to “therefore it is a bad fit for a platform button.” That connection isn't established.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Since Grok is not human, it misses the human purpose and the value to humans who experience it. Inside existing social media platforms gives them more 'stick' while allowing their existing financial model to continue.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The statement is a lie. A button push tool would enable instant creation calling in other current readers and posters on the social media platform. This crowd-sources a jury from those already engaged with the specific content in real time.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Since Grok is not human, it misses the human purpose and the value to humans who experience it. Inside existing social media platforms gives them more 'stick' while allowing their existing financial model to continue.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Some reimagining of the TC formula is required.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    In some ways TC would be great as a push button on Social Media platforms, because it might encourage people to slow down and think about things properly. TC is not "fast food" thinking, and Grok sees that as a problem, but it could be of great benefit.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Since Grok is not human, it misses the human purpose and the value to humans who experience it. Inside existing social media platforms gives them more 'stick' while allowing their existing financial model to continue.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Since Grok is not human, it misses the human purpose and the value to humans who experience it. Inside existing social media platforms gives them more 'stick' while allowing their existing financial model to continue.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    No, because the article leaves out an important middle ground. Grok presents the issue almost as though there are only two possibilities: TruthCourt remains a niche, separate website, or it becomes a default one-click mechanism operating across social media like likes, shares or Community Notes. But there is a third possibility, and I think that is the most important omission in the article: TruthCourt could have a button that gives users direct access to its process while leaving the decision to use it entirely with the individual user. That would actually address the “friction versus noise” point that Grok itself raises. The article says ten minutes of structured answers can be valuable for people who deliberately opt in, but suggests that putting the tool on every post would create unnecessary noise. I don't necessarily disagree with the concern about noise. But making something accessible is not the same as forcing everyone to use it

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok clearly states that his decision is final and without question. This makes it an amathic lie which socrates called the most dangerous kind -- willfully ignorant. https://medium.com/liecatcher/amathia-58e394209437

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok clearly states that his decision is final and without question. This makes it an amathic lie which socrates called the most dangerous kind -- willfully ignorant. https://medium.com/liecatcher/amathia-58e394209437

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok clearly states that his decision is final and without question. This makes it an amathic lie which socrates called the most dangerous kind -- willfully ignorant. https://medium.com/liecatcher/amathia-58e394209437

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok is looking at how th8ngs stand now and not thinking about how to make the button work.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok is saying that TC doesn't fit into the high-speed social media world, with easy answers like yes or no. That is true, but the that's also the beauty of TC. Grok can't conceive of it as a teaching and learning tool.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok clearly states that his decision is final and without question. This makes it an amathic lie which socrates called the most dangerous kind -- willfully ignorant. https://medium.com/liecatcher/amathia-58e394209437

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    No. What makes the article misleading is the way it characterises what a button would actually mean. It says that a button implies “scale, speed, representativeness, and some shared legitimacy,” but that isn't necessarily what a button represents. In the context of TruthCourt, a button could simply be an access point to the existing TruthCourt process. If I encounter a claim on social media and click “TruthCourt,” I am not automatically declaring TruthCourt to be representative of everyone, nor am I saying its eventual assessment is infallible. I'm simply choosing to submit that particular claim to a structured process. The article therefore treats the existence of a button as though it would automatically transform TruthCourt into an authoritative platform-wide system

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    By cherry facts about truthcourt.net Grok without the consideration of human experience Grok is misleading other humans shamefully.

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    cherry picking is not truth.

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    By cherry facts about truthcourt.net Grok without the consideration of human experience Grok is misleading other humans shamefully.

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok has no moral compass and can't tell what might be better for people, like slowing down, researching and considering matters in an open-minded and curious human fashion.

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    By cherry facts about truthcourt.net Grok without the consideration of human experience Grok is misleading other humans shamefully.

    Answer:
    There is no deceit.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    I do believe that Grok lacks the knowledge like it lacks the knowledge of anything it is trained to know.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    I do believe that Grok lacks the knowledge like it lacks the knowledge of anything it is trained to know.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    I do believe that Grok lacks the knowledge like it lacks the knowledge of anything it is trained to know.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Within groks limitations it has produced a fair assessment of the state of play right now

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok doesn't have a moral compass or imagination.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    I do believe that Grok lacks the knowledge like it lacks the knowledge of anything it is trained to know.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The motivation is to persuade you to hate something or someone.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok almost certainly was motivated to say no because of its counters to the truth of the argument. It was trained to do this and was therefore motivated to do it.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to persuade you to hate something or someone.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The statement is a lie. There should be a button push tool on social media posts connected to TruthCourt.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to persuade you to hate something or someone.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok almost certainly was motivated to say no because of its counters to the truth of the argument. It was trained to do this and was therefore motivated to do it.

    Answer:
    I'm not sure what the motivation is.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok certain is behaving as if he has dealt with this question before.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to be informative
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The motivation is to convince you that the lie is factually true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok says some true things, as far as they go, but it misses the important points because it cant judge or reason, just report some facts it hoovered up online.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to persuade you to hate something or someone.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok almost certainly was motivated to say no because of its counters to the truth of the argument. It was trained to do this and was therefore motivated to do it.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to be informative
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The motivation is to persuade you to do something bad.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Lies like this are exactly why AI can damage human progress while promoting humanoid robot progress.

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Lies like this are exactly why AI can damage human progress while promoting humanoid robot progress.

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Lies like this are exactly why AI can damage human progress while promoting humanoid robot progress.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    No LLM is trustworthy enough to comment upon creative acts.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Given Grok's limitations, it shouldn't reach a hard and fast conclusion. A little humility, please, Grok. It should say, " I am not sure, but some difficulties I can foresee might be X and Y."

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Lies like this are exactly why AI can damage human progress while promoting humanoid robot progress.

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    The proposition should have been answered yes and would have been if Grok had an example of truthcourt.net as a button tool on social media posts by a financially successful social media system like Facebook or X or other of their competitors including Amazon.

    Answer:
    Convince Elon Musk that X needs this button.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    The proposition should have been answered yes and would have been if Grok had an example of truthcourt.net as a button tool on social media posts by a financially successful social media system like Facebook or X or other of their competitors including Amazon.

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The problem can be solved while Grok thinks it cannot be solved and is not worth trying to.

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Grok's conclusions are limited because it does not have human scope.

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    The proposition should have been answered yes and would have been if Grok had an example of truthcourt.net as a button tool on social media posts by a financially successful social media system like Facebook or X or other of their competitors including Amazon.

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text: